Why are English channels on the IPTV scene only 25 FPS?

by aguerrrroooooooooooo

Okay I've been using IPTV for a few months now and have got a pretty good feel for the IPTV scene.

One thing I cannot understand is why all UK channels are a measly 25fps.

This looks okay for things like the news. However, during fast moving images for sports channels like sky and BT when the football is on this is very noticeable.

The thing is that 50fps UK streams do exist, just look at the freeview add-on by rw86 on Kodi. The channels are 50fps.

The other line that gets trotted out is that it would take too much bandwidth, again this arguement doesn't stand up. If this was the case, then why are their 1080p/50fps Portuguese sports channels? Or 720p/60fps US sports channels?

I can't understand that why such big channels are at such a low framerate

andygold2

THIS!!! Id love to hear the argument from a stream provider put forward, although the answer is going to be the same as ever...cost.

Whether its that the UK IPTV market isn't big enough to make it worthwhile, or bandwidth or whatever, its going to be inevitably down to cost.

Id happily pay a bit more per month if this was an option.

OntarioIPTV

This would be in response to both andygold2 and agurerooo.

I don't own alot of channels. Simply cannot afford to.
Let me give you a small breakdown of cost for me and why it won't happen.
Server : Aprox 1750Euro a month not including extra fee's for co-location in a location which allows satellite uplink. For every channel I require a decoder 50Euro, an Encoder 100Euro and graphics cards (multi channel handle) 800Euro

So this is just basics montly for one channel: lets make it 1900Euro, (not including video cards)

Lets edit that and say I have 10 channels I'm broadcasting which is 150Euro per channel extra. 3250Euro a month for 10 channels being broadcasted.

That's only 10 channels, For me to make this money back I would need to find restreamers who are willing to pay me money.. Expensive money for local true streams.

If I found 10 companies who wanted all 10 channels and I said 20Euro per channel that is only 2000Euro. I'm not seeing a profit.

95% of the companies which are streaming today including my company restream off people who restream off people who restream. Which means NOBODY owns the channel. Every restream that you go off of the original price drops and makes it affordable for someone to add to their IPTV service.

So you see, the chances that I will spend more money will be slim.

Just my breakdown and hope it helps as people think its easy to place channels online. But have never tried to actually accomplish this themselves.

CashMc1234

Looking at the post here and within the Reddit IPTV thread, I think there is a niche market here and potentially room for the providers to make money. I for one would definitely pay for it.

Isn't Sky UK TV currently testing IPTV services within the UK.

ariankombinatsi

Sorry yes is not my native lingua I aggre with you quality over quantity but as these providers buy the channels in bulks it will cost them more time to sort channels ( money as well as someone has to be in fron of pc to sort them, select channels ) As someone said here no one owns these streams at this point so whatever they get from someone they give it to us untouched Rapid has the best spanish dutch and polish and to some degre some nordic channels No one else from so called big players here has the same quality as rapid on those packages As for sky uk is the same feed , necro rapid and so on Still i believe it will cause trouble to people involved to get new feeds out from UK Rapid has even 2 versions of full HD of the same channel on their dutch package
Sky sports is good on half time analysis :)

MadBloris

The broadcast at 25 don't they?

andygold2

Also to answer your query about that kodi addon, the only ones i can see that are 50fps are BBC, for the reason that these streams are coming straight from the iPlayer website, they're 50fps in your browser, also the iPlayer kodi addon has them at 50fps for the same reason...BBC has a much bigger and well financed infrastructure as its paid for by the tax payer, I'm guessing commercial stations (Channel 4, ITV etc) don't have it in their budget to supply this.

Again, its all down to cost i think.

OntarioIPTV

Ok, Here it goes. It does come down to cost and server stress. I personally cannot afford to stress out my my channel host servers to encode at 60fps when the provider actually does not provide that quality.

Sky TV you can even look on and complete research on their website will admit they only broadcast at 1080i 50f and they expect your tv and box to upscale it for you. 1080i at 50 is comparable to 1080p 25 which is why the max you will see is mainly 1080 25.

Some television providers are changing over to 1080p 50/60 but that is mainly cable companies or those who have already infrastructured over to IP services. I'm guessing your Portuguese sources have done that. But with Sky it's not happening soon.

Thank you

ariankombinatsi

That is to complicated for me from a technical view Lets say polish package is generally good and quality is top notch across many providers and from my understanding as many polish people lives abroad competition is high and alive I have watched iptv stream for few years now and I remember before the uk feeds were much better that what we get now I understand cardsharing is very dificult these days wich i belive is the source of all the iptv feeds I am subcribed to a high quality nordic package and it was similar to sky italia iptv source wich i had last year with full package and real primafila and ppv but unfortunately that source is gone .. maybe your friend is not active anymore :) joking Anyway i firmly belive as cardsharing plays vital role in this bussiness and you rightly said so , is getting harder in uk to play around and sadly we will never see a sky package like the real thing

tech24244you

free iptv the link auto upadate so keep the link to have the last m3u update http://cut-urls.com/t1KC1

yetshi

because PAL is broadcast in 24.97 FPS and unless they spent the time to reencode it at a higher rate then the video would be sped up when played at anything other than 24.97 fps